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Shpat
01-07-12, 11:09
Qemal Ataturku mbi Islamin!
“Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.”

" I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a ****. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men."

"We do not consider our principles as dogmas contained in books that are said to come from heaven. We derive our inspiration, not from heaven, or from an unseen world, but directly from life."

Quoted in Atatürk: The Biography of the founder of Modern Turkey, by Andrew Mango; "In a book published in 1928, Grace Ellison quotes [Atatürk], presumably in 1926-27", Grace Ellison Turkey Today (London: Hutchinson, 1928)

Kosova19
01-07-12, 12:14
...pse te krishteret ose ata qe nuk i kishin besuar nuk e quajten te pamoralshem?

...si mund ta quajme nje njeri keshtu, ku rinin e tij e ka kaluar me nje grua plake dhe kur u plaka u ber i pa moralshema? ...į mundet nje njeri i pa moralshem ta kalojne tan jeten veq me nje grua palake?

...ne demograci ose ne ligjin e tokes e konsiderojne ndere ne qofse nje njeri ka nje grua me leter dhe100 pa letra. ...sipas nje gazete zvicerane gjdo i pesti njeri nga Zvicra ka shkuar spaku nje here ne shtepi bublike e ne disa shtete eshte numri edhe me i madhe.

...kejte kjo na len te kuptojme se me kete ligje morali quhet imoral dhe imorali quhet moral.

Alima
01-07-12, 12:52
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Qasaj kohe u zbulu edhe pluhni i bardhe,jo veē droga,po edhe sheqeri e krypa ... qasaj kohe edhe mason ataturkun e shtinen misionar si mjeshtri prej shkalles me te larte ....dhe e rrezun Otomanin !

Enver Hoxha i Turqis edhe ataturk ØØØØØØØØ!

Po eshte kah hujdiset apet,mos baj dert!http://www.dardania.de/vb/upload/images/icons/icon12.gif

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murrizi
01-07-12, 14:59
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Qasaj kohe u zbulu edhe pluhni i bardhe,jo veē droga,po edhe sheqeri e krypa ... qasaj kohe edhe mason ataturkun e shtinen misionar si mjeshtri prej shkalles me te larte ....dhe e rrezun Otomanin !

Enver Hoxha i Turqis edhe ataturk ØØØØØØØØ!

Po eshte kah hujdiset apet,mos baj dert!http://www.dardania.de/vb/upload/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Qemal zotnis nuk i thojn se koti baba i turqis, me kon te thojn edhe ty alime !?

Bile bile bash pom duket si kogja jarana jemi une me Qemal tbirin e Rizes

Murgesha
01-07-12, 16:07
Te shikojm tash cfar po bajne turqit...

A po e njollosin e spo lan gja pa thon per te "baban e turqise moderne"?

Codex
02-07-12, 06:31
Nese arrin me i fitue dy te tretat ne parlament Erdogani ka me ja ndertue ne parlament edhe nje statuj te Kemail Ataturkit...shtu sikur Sadamit apo Asadit.

Vegel e Masonve dhe perendimit per shkatrrimin e perandoris dhe sistemit shtetit aaso kohe

Makresh
02-07-12, 08:46
Te kesh admirim per Ataturkun, eshte njesoj sikur t'ia miratosh punen Milloshevicit, Gadafit, Gj.Bushit & Ibrahim Rugoves !

Codex
02-07-12, 11:16
GDP turke rritet me 14.2 %
11:35 / 2.07.2012
Shpėrndaje
Nė tremujorin e kėtij viti ekonomia e Turqisė ėshtė rritur me 3.2 pėr qind. Tė Ardhurat Kombėtare Bruto (GDP) pėr kėtė periudhė u realizuan rreth 182 miliardė e 500 milionė dollarė.
Instituti i Statistikave tė Turqisė publikoi pėrfundimet e tremujorit tė parė tė vitit 2012 pėr Produkti i Brendshėm Bruto tė llogaritur me metodėn e prodhimit. Norma e rritjes ekonomike pėr periudhėn janar-mars 2012 ėshtė 3.2 pėr qind.
Kurse Produkti i Brendshėm Bruto u rrit me 14.2 pėr qind dhe u realizua nė shifrėn 329 miliardė e 20 milionė lira turke.
Kėshtu procesi i rritjes sė pandėrprerė tė ekonomisė turke, rritje qė ka filluar nė ēerekun e fundit tė vitit 2009, ka vazhduar edhe nė tremujorin e parė tė 2012-s, duke lėnė prapa 10 tremujorė. /Telegrafi/

Ataturku o ka e bon kto, kontinentin e Afrikes eshte kah e merr Azin po ashtu me ekonomi tu ec perpara bektel enka autostraden ne ks Ap po ashtu... po rritet po rritet

Makresh
02-07-12, 13:29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuXbOwHHfh4&feature=player_embedded

Moska i qon fjal Osman PASHĖS :

Moska, Pashės i ka qu fjalė

Dorėzoj armėt t'mesish gjallė

s'Dorzoj armėt un pėr s'gjallė

Dy Taborre i kam Shqiptarė

Dy Taborre i kam Shqiptarė

t'Kalli Moskėn tym e flakė.

Arb
02-07-12, 22:22
Zagaret e fese i paskan tranu theniet e Ataturkut...

Arb
02-07-12, 22:31
Ataturk's General perception

Atatürk's general view regarding theocracy was not positive. In his speeches and publications he criticized religious ideology.[/URL]He viewed religion as an unnecessary and avoidable institution within public life.


Atatürk stated that a religion should be in conformity with reason, science and logic. He viewed Islam as in complete harmony with the reasoning, science and logic. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_personal_life#cite_ note-ethem-22)


The problem was not religion, but how believers understood and applied religion. True religion could not be understood as long as false prophets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet) isolated and religious knowledge is enlightened. The only way to deal with false prophets was to deal with the Turkish people's illiteracy and prejudice.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk%27s_personal_life#cite_ note-26"]

Arb
02-07-12, 22:34
Then Atatürk carefully constructed and deployed a master plan, today known as the Kemalist ideology or Kemalism. Believing in this strategy Ataturk and his associates started to publicly question the value of religion and held the view religion was not compatible with modern science and secularism was imperative for modernity.

Ataturks reforms Ottoman Islamic TurkeyThus Ataturk regime began step by step to implement the Kemalist ideology with a radical reformation of the Turkish society with the aim of modernizing Turkey from the remnants of its Ottoman past. In line with their ideological convictions the Ataturk government abolished Islamic religious institutions; replace the Shariah law with adapted European legal codes; replaced the Islamic calendar with the Gregorian calendar; replace the Arabic script which was used to write the Turkish language with the Latin script and closed all religious schools.

In addition Ataturk took over the country’s 70,000 mosques and restricted the building of new mosques. Muftis and imams (prayer leaders) were appointed and regulated by the government, and religious instructions were taken over by the Ministry of National Education. Mosques were to preach according to the Ataturk’s dictates and were used to spread the Kemalist ideology.

For Sufi Muslims it was worse. Atatürk confiscated Sufi lodges, monasteries, meeting places and outlawed their rituals and meetings.

Turkey mosque muslim hijab girlAccording to Ataturk modernity was valued and represented as not wearing any religious dress or being non-religious. So he ordered what cloths Turkey’s citizens should wear. The traditional garb of local religious leaders was outlawed. The fez (Turkish hat) was banned for men and the veil and hijab (headscarves) were discouraged and restricted for women.

Atatürk and his colleagues even wanted to Turkify Islam. They ordered Muslims to use the Turkish word Tanri instead of Allah for God and use the Turkish language in Salaath (the 5 times prayers) and Azaan (the call for prayers). These preposterous changes deeply disturbed the faithful Muslims and caused widespread resentment, which led in 1933 to a return to the Arabic version of the call to prayer.

After some time the Atatürk regime moved towards more extreme measures. Ataturk prohibited religious education. The existing mosques were turned into museums or used for the regimes secular purposes.

Arb
02-07-12, 22:37
Religion and the individual

Religion, particularly Islam, was between an individual and God in Atatürk's eyes.[28]. When compared to Ottoman practice (political Islam integrated to government life through Millets), Atatürk believed in a form of reformed Islam (Islam between an individual and God). He believed it was possible to blend native tradition (based on Islam) and Western modernism harmoniously.[29] In this equation, he gave more emphasis towards the modernization. His modernization aimed to transform social and mental structures (native traditions of Islam) to eradicate the irrational ideas, magical superstitions and so on.[29]

Atatürk was not against religion but what he perceived as all Ottoman religious and cultural elements that brought limits to people's self being.[29] He concentrated his reforms (regarding popular sovereignty) against obstacles for the individual choices being reflected in the social life. He viewed civil law and abolition of the caliphate as required for reflection of individual choices. He perceived religion as a matter of conscience, a problem of worship, but not politics. The best response on this issue comes from himself
“ "Religion is a matter of conscience. One is always free to act according to the will of one's conscience. We (as a nation) are respectful of religion. It is not our intention to curtail freedom of worship, but rather to ensure that matters of religion and those of the state do not become intertwined.[30]" ”

Atatürk believed in freedom of religion, but he was a secular thinker and his concept of freedom of religion was not limitless. He differentiated between social and personal practice of religion. He applied social considerations (secular requirements) when the public practice of religion was considered. He said that no one can force another to accept any religion or a sect (freedom of belief) [31]. Also, everyone has the right to perform or neglect, if he so wishes, obligations of any religion he chooses (freedom of worship), such as the right to not fast during Ramadan.[32]"

Arb
02-07-12, 22:41
Religion and politics

According to historian Kemal Karpat, the movements that perceive Islam as a political movement or particularly the view of Islam as a political religion hold the position that Atatürk was not a Muslim (true believer or religious Muslim). It is normal that this perspective was adapted, Karpat says. "He was not against Islam, but those who are against his political power using the religious arguments[4]." Any movement that wanted to establish the Caliphate had to discredit Atatürk. It is claimed that Republic reflected Kemal's personal philosophy.
“ I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the teachings of science.... Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him act against the liberty of his fellow man.[33] ”

Many years later, when Turkey had became more secular and modern, he gave a public speech in which he criticized Islam and especially Islamic law as the views of an 'immoral Arab':
“ For nearly five hundred years, these rules and theories of an Arab Shaikh and the interpretations of generations of lazy and good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and criminal law of Turkey. They have decided the form of the Constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learned in his schools, his customs, his thoughts-even his most intimate habits. This theology of an immoral Arab [presented as Islam] is a dead thing. Possibly it might have suited tribes in the desert. It is no good for modern, progressive state. God's revelation! There is no God! These are only the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down. A ruler who needs religion is a weaklings. No weaklings should rule![34] ”

It can be claimed that Atatürk is a "cultural Muslim" or "nominal Muslim," but it should be noted that the definition of cultural Muslim itself is very far from being uncontested[citation needed].

Mustafa Kemal described the religion of Islam as the religion of Arabs in his own work titled Medenī Bilgiler:
“ Even before accepting the religion of the Arabs, the Turks were a great nation. After accepting the religion of the Arabs, this religion, didn't effect to combine the Arabs, the Persians and Egyptians with the Turks to constitute a nation. (This religion) rather, loosened the national nexus of Turkish nation, got national excitement numb. This was very natural. Because the purpose of the religion founded by Muhammad, over all nations, was to drag to an including Arab national politics.[35]

Arb
02-07-12, 22:57
Edhe nje video interesante per keta talibanet magjupe te FD-se

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wT4AyuXAI

lirik
03-07-12, 04:45
Qemal ne gjuhen turke do te thot njeri i pjekur -mesuesi i tij e ksihte po te njejtin emer edhe ai prandaj i tha ne te dy duhet te dallohemi ti do te quhesh qemal qe do te thot i pjekur -
prandaj ataturku u quajt Musttafa qemal qe do te thot mustafa i pjekur sepse per kohen ishte me i pjekur se vet mesuesit e tij --
nje figure poliedrike e kohes njeri i reformave mjeshter fenomen i strategjive ushtarake diplomatike dhe njohurive teper te holla te artit ushtarak -
Meritat e ataturkut jan merita te nje njeriu teper jashtzakonisht te aft -reformator kulturor modern i jetes dhe ligjeve i ideve perparimtare dhe zhvillimeve ne kohen kur europa kishte egersi mbreterishe te diktaturave te kalbura te mentaliteteve antidemokratike diktatura te aristokracive jashtkohore te trianive e autokratizmit si dhe ligjeve po thuajse te shpates e ma vone pollli edhe fashizmin ataturku kishte ide e cilsi te rrallla reformuese ne nje perspektive te shoqerise demokratike i talentuar i jashtzakonshem si perparimtar demokrat me prirje edhe per idete qe me vone do ti sherbenin ideve te porrgresit rrugehapsi fillestar i mundsive te zhvillimeve perparimtare njeri me vlera te jashtzakonshme te kohes -- e e ma vone edhe doli se ishte aq mendje ndritur qe dinte te dallonte regjimet negative te kohes me ndikime teper destruktive --ishte diplomat i rralle i kohes i cili fuqite e kohes europiane qe ishin edhe fuqi botrore i sfidoj ne diplomaci dhe ne strategji ushtarake ky njeri ehst shpetimtari i turqise por edhe i shqiprise ne nje forme pasi qe forcat greke europiane ishin te koncentruara ne synimin per te marre azine e vogel e nodshta edhe pjes e te iranit ne menyre q e te behej turqia njimij copash e ndoshta te shuhej nga faqja e dheut e historia pikrisht nga greket pan ortodoks teper fashist ne gjak e ne rrace mizorė aspak demokrat por bisha kanibale te shfarosjeve te kulturave e gjurmve kombtare e historike te popujve .
Panhenelizimi pararoje e pansllavizmit dhe paan krishterizimit fashist te nje fanatizmi kanibal egersie per te shfarosur gjithqka kulturore e nacionale e teritoriale te tjerve -prirje per gjenocid e shfarosje e shlyerje te hartave ishin pra pereandori primitive panhelene ne sherbim te pansllavizmit per te krijuar perandori te lindjes me bekimin e europes anglia e franca dy vende kryekput ne sherbim te pansllavizmit dhe panhelenizmit te kohes -qe tentonind efinitifisht shuarjen e civilizimeve tjera de fakto e shlyerjen e shqiptarve nga harta po thuajse -i njejti fat e priste edhe turqine dhe popujt tjere ne azi -por qemali ataturku lindi gjeniu i kohes diplomati dijetari akademiku u shtarak gjenial i kohes -njeri i madh luani i koes njeriu madheshtorė prisji me i shquar dhe mendjeholle ku fuqite botrore te kohes i hudhi ne det --ndersa mashen e frances e anglise te dyja fuqi botrore te kohes poashtu e hudhi ne det e kjo ishte greqia masha e europes dhe rusise e cila me kanibalizem njihet per egersi primitive dhe shfasrosje etnike gjenocide -per egersi vrasese dhe megalomani pushtuese e zaptuese per pastrime etnike dhe asimilime ku kanibalizmi i saj shkon per tej qdo qnjerzorje se bashku me shkiet kanibal-
Qdo gje ishte antidemokratike dhe diktatzura e aristokraci fashiste te mbreterive e te sulltanve te kalbur te kohes kur ataturku solli rrezet e reformave dhe demokracise e republikanizmit -model teper strategjik i nje kombinimi te kohes i cili vertet zgjonte nmdjenjat dhe aftesite eveqanta te potencialit njerzor vetedijen per veprim e atdhe mbi bazat e motivet e nje jete te lire dhe moderne e te reformave -qka ishin domosdoshmeri jetike per njerzimit.
Ky shpetimtar qe quhej ataturk shpetoj teritorin nga mija coptime sot do te kishim n je greqi etnike teper fashiste ne aleance me pansllavizmin dhe flotat e rusise ne egje ne bosfor me baza ushtarake ruse ne turqi dhe nje krize te pa shembullt per boten -

si dhe nodhsta kombi shqiptar nuk do te kishte ekzistuar as si fshat .
Kush ja mohon aftesite strategjike Atataurkut te madh ai esht injorant dhe i ppa dishem -me errsire te trurit ne prapambeturi konzervative destruktive qe ndalon kohen ne zhvillim.
Fanatizmi dhe injoranca fundamentaliste e qarqeve primitive te kohes qe nuk shohin per tej shtofit te feregjeve te zeza mund te flasin sa te duan por kot e kan.
Turqi a sovrane teritoriale sot ekziston duke falenderuar gjeniun e kohes ATATURKUN
i cili esht gjak shqiptari skenderbeu i dyte i kohes aleksandri leka i madh i kohes por ne formen e vet kuptohet por mund ta krahasoj me gjeneralet ma dijetar te kohrave .
Strategjija e tij e fitoreve ushtarake dhe diplomatike esht e mahnitshme per kohen dhe kufijte e kohes se dijeve te asaj kohe pra ne at kohe te kishte nje njeri kaq te aft kur dihen kohrat qfare ishin kjo ehst e jashtzakonshme -
autori i mendimit opinionit te ketij mendimi xhelal ferizi

lirik
03-07-12, 05:14
Qemal ne gjuhen turke do te thot njeri i pjekur -mesuesi i tij e ksihte po te njejtin emer si ai prandaj deshti ta dallonte ---edhe ai prandaj i tha ne te dy duhet te dallohemi me emra i tha
ti do te quhesh qemal qe do te thot i pjekur -

prandaj ataturku u quajt Musttafa Qemal-

qe do te thot mustafa i pjekur sepse per kohen ishte me i pjekur se vet mesuesit e tij --



nje figure poliedrike e kohes njeri i reformave mjeshter fenomen i strategjive -

ushtarake-- diplomatike dhe njohurive teper te holla te artit ushtarak -

Meritat e ataturkut jan merita te nje njeriu teper jashtzakonisht te aft -

-reformator kulturor modern i jetes dhe ligjeve i ideve perparimtare-

dhe zhvillimeve ne kohen kur europa kishte egersi mbreterishė te diktaturave te kalbura anti demokratiike te mentaliteteve antidemokratike diktatura te aristokracive jashtkohore te tiranive e autokratizmit
qe ishin kunde r lirise dhe te drejtave njerzore
si dhe ligjeve perparimtare ishin akoma zakone po thuajse te shpates
e ma vone pollli edhe fashizmin kjo pjelle e padrejtesive

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Ataturku ne at kohe teper te komplikuar mbreterishe e te pushtimeve te apetiteve te mbreterive me prirje fshiste
ai kishte ide e cilsi te rrallla-dhe ne gjak idealin e lirise se popujve -


Ishte reformues ne ide ene veprime ne nje perspektive te shoqerise demokratike i talentuar -

i shquar i jashtzakonshem si perparimtar demokrat me prirje edhe per idete qe me vone do ti sherbenin ideve te progresit -

rrugehapsi fillestar i mundsive te zhvillimeve perparimtare njeri me
vlera te jashtzakonshme te kohes --

e e ma vone edhe doli se ishte aq mendje ndritur qe dinte te dallonte regjimet negative te kohes me ndikime teper destruktive

--ishte diplomat i rralle i kohes i cili fuqite e kohes europiane qe ishin
edhe fuqi botrore me qellime padrejtesie e te pushtimeve
ai i sfidoj ne diplomaci dhe ne strategji ushtarake-
ky njeri esht njeriu i madh i kohes shpetimtari i turqise
por edhe i shqiprise ne nje forme pasi qe forcat greke europiane
ishin te koncentruara ne synimin per te marre azine e vogel
e nodshta edhe pjes e te iranit ne menyre q e te behej turqia njimij copash e ndoshta te shuhej nga faqja e dheut e nga historia
pikrisht nga greket dhe te tjeret franqez e pan ortodoks
pansllav teper fashist ne gjak e ne rrace mizorė qnjerzor
aspak demokrat
por bisha kanibale te shfarosjeve te popujve per te zgjeruar teritore me ide kanibale e struktura kanibale
ata armiq kaq te zi te kohes ishin per zhfdukje te kombeve e te kulturave e gjurmve kombtare e historike te popujve ma vone e pollen edhe fashizmin shovenizmin qe ne fakt e kishin ne gjak me shekuj por e sollen edhe ne formulim te qarte diktaturen komuniste poashtu etj
.

Panhenelizimi pararoje e pansllavizmit dhe paan krishterizimit fashist
centrist te nje fanatizmi kanibal pushtues shfaroses
me veqori te pa para egersie kanibale shovene me gjenetike te prishur e teper qnjerzore

si prirje per te shfarosur gjithqka kulturore e nacionale e teritoriale
te tjerve

-prirje per gjenocid e shfarosje e shlyerje te hartave
ishin pra pereandori primitive panhelene ne sherbim te pansllavizmit
per te krijuar perandori te lindjes me bekimin e europes anglia e franca dy vende kryekput ne sherbim te pansllavizmit
dhe panhelenizmit te kohes qe ma vone ju bashkangjiten edhe te tjeret per te ja coptuar tokat turqise e shqiperise etj
-qe tentonin d efinitifisht shuarjen e civilizimeve tjera
de fakto e shlyerjen e shqiptarve nga harta po thuajse
-i njejti fat e priste edhe turqine dhe popujt tjere ne azi ----por qemali ataturku me gjak shqiptari ne damare --lindi gjeniu i kohes diplomati dijetari akademiku u shtarak gjenial i kohes
qe diti perfekt me ide emendime teper te avansuara priirjesh stratege me kohe dhe vizion per te parapa holl e larg menquri e persosiur
-njeri i madh luani i kohes njeriu madheshtorė prisji me i shquar dhe mendjeholle ku fuqite destruktive botrore te kohes i hudhi ne det -

-ndersa mashen e frances e anglise greqine panheleno pansllavo centriste kanibalizem i kryqit simbol primitiv i egerisse
siq ishte greqia masha e anglis ee frances te dyja fuqi botrore te kohes q ete dyyja teper antishqiptare
se bashku me gjermanine e asaj kohe qe perbenin fuqite botrore te kohes ku nje rrezik i till nuk ishte pa si ather
turiqa ne prirjen e atatrukut poashtu e hudhi ne det
duke i mundur diplomatikisht e ushtarakisht
Kjo fitore kaq brilante kunder kanibales se kohes e mashes se europes
e kjo ishte greqia masha e europes dhe rusise
e cila me kanibalizem njihet per egersi primitive dhe shfasrosje etnike -
gjenocide -per egersi vrasese dhe megalomani pushtuese e zaptuese
per pastrime etnike dhe asimilime ku kanibalizmi i saj shkon per tej qdo qnjerzorje se bashku me shkiet kanibal-
Ishin rreziqe te papara ku ne sot do te kishim probleme te paberballueshme soe nuk do te ishim fare si shtet shqiptar por nuk do te ekzistonte as turqia

Qdo gje ishte ne at kohe antidemokratike dhe diktatura pushtimesh mbreteri te egra sulltana cara krajla qe pjeknin e benin dje-g-je
kombe pushtonin benin thingij nga kombet
ishte tirani e aristokraci fashiste te mbreterive e te sulltanve te kalbur
te kohes--kristocentrizem dhune shfrenim
kur ataturku solli rrezet e reformave dhe demokracise e republikanizmit -

-model teper strategjik i nje kombinimi te kohes i cili vertet zgjonte ndjenjat nacionale reformuese dhe aftesite e veqanta progresive potencialin
te potencialit njerzor kombtar etj vetedijen per veprim
e atdhe mbi bazat e motivet e nje jete te lire dhe moderne e te reformave mbi te cilat mund te ishte baza ejetes qendrueshmeria perspektive e civilizimit e paqes
-qka ishin domosdoshmeri jetike per njerzimit.

Ky shpetimtar shqiptar qe quhej ataturk
shpetoj teritorin nga mija coptime -sot do te kishim n je greqi etnike teper fashiste ne aleance me pansllavizmin ortodokso centrizmin e egersive te pa para qnjerzore qe nuk kan ne asnje pike gjaku as me te voglen ide te demokracise njerzore
dhe do i kishim flotat e rusise greqies e ne egje ne bosfor me baza ushtarake ruse ne turqi nje fuqi atomike para se ciles europa do ishte nje zero nje hiq
dhe do e kishim nje krize te pa shembullt per boten -

si dhe ndoshsta kombi shqiptar nuk do te kishte ekzistuar as si fshat se le ma sishtet as turqia kursesi .

Kush ja mohon aftesite strategjike Atataurkut te madh ai esht injorant

analfabet njeri i errsires dhe i ppa dishem -me errsire te trurit ne prapambeturi konzervative destruktive
jashtkohore qe ndalon kohen ne zhvillim e modernizmit
.
Fanatizmi dhe injoranca fundamentaliste e qarqeve primitive te kohes qe nuk shohin per tej shtofit te feregjeve te zeza mund te flasin sa te duan por kot e kan.
Turqi a sovrane teritoriale sot ekziston duke falenderuar gjeniun e kohes ATATURKUN


i cili esht gjak shqiptari skenderbeu i dyte i kohes
aleksandri leka i madh i kohes
por ne formen e vet kuptohet por mund ta krahasoj me gjeneralet ma dijetar te kohrave .
Strategjija e tij e fitoreve ushtarake dhe diplomatike esht e mahnitshme
per kohen dhe kufijte e kohes se dijeve te asaj kohe pra ne at kohe te kishte nje njeri kaq te aft kur dihen kohrat qfare ishin kjo ehst e jashtzakonshme -
autori i mendimit opinionit te ketij mendimi xhelal ferizi

lirik
03-07-12, 05:20
Talibanizzmi fanatik dhe kistioano centrizmi poashtu fanatik nuk do te dominojne kurre boten e lirise e demokracise e te reformave -lufta e popujve per liri e reforma nuk do te ndalet kurr kunder fanatikve te ideve te ndryshme te zez a te rrezikshme per njerzimin

Makresh
03-07-12, 07:26
Ju pjekt Zoti bashk me Qemalin !

Arb
03-07-12, 14:46
Makreshice,

Nuk ka qef Zoti me perdor emrin e tij per te ofenduar te tjeret.

Zagaret talibane vec gjuhen e ofendimit e dijne...